tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5254619.post5408625580022476199..comments2023-10-03T10:49:47.294+02:00Comments on The 3rd world view : Avro Vs. Bijoy: Let Language Be FreeRezwanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02737317666101718664noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5254619.post-47061911135374916622011-01-10T21:13:44.000+01:002011-01-10T21:13:44.000+01:00http://ashokeroy.blogspot.com/2011/01/bijoy-vs-avr...<a href="http://ashokeroy.blogspot.com/2011/01/bijoy-vs-avro-dont-talk-at-each-other.html" rel="nofollow">http://ashokeroy.blogspot.com/2011/01/bijoy-vs-avro-dont-talk-at-each-other.html</a>Ashoke Roynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5254619.post-44341937230036294792010-06-13T13:09:06.000+02:002010-06-13T13:09:06.000+02:00ভাষা উন্মুক্ত হবেই.......ভাষা উন্মুক্ত হবেই.......সিফাত হোসেনnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5254619.post-41138945996588495452010-05-14T19:13:08.000+02:002010-05-14T19:13:08.000+02:00I'll have to voice my support for avro. I'...I'll have to voice my support for avro. I'm a heavy computer and all along I never had the guts to type Bangla; Bijoy was sluggish and the keyboard was tough to learn. Now that there's a software out there that allows a layman like me to confidently write my one language, why should I be barred from using it? All I think is that Mr. Jabbar is daunted by the fact there's competitor out there threatening his monopoly and he is now resorting to baseless allegations to defame it. And even if it is about profit rather than ethics, why isn't the 'expert' of bangla keyboard layout trying to improve the Bijoy so that it would be worthwhile pay tk 5000 for license instead of getting a freeware? After all, isn't counter-competition how a reputable firm should behave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5254619.post-16697591331488048972010-05-19T22:18:03.000+02:002010-05-19T22:18:03.000+02:00hi can u help me?
with my bijoy key board.hi can u help me?<br />with my bijoy key board.tamannanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5254619.post-83571822464894672982010-04-24T21:48:01.000+02:002010-04-24T21:48:01.000+02:00<span>"Let Language be Free" - mea...<span>"Let Language be Free" - means to stop the claim of Mustafa Jabbar that his Bijoy is used by 99% users and all similar layouts like Unijoy, UniBijoy are pirated (thus putting a stop to those freewares available to millions of Bengalis across the world)- and the claim that he does have the sole right on Bangla keyboard. More debates on the keyboard layout is here:</span><br />http://www.sachalayatan.com/mukit_tohoku/31714<br /><br />I think Bangladesh government need to step in and standardize one keyboard layout (like US 101) for the country - for which no individual will receive profit - we have none!rezwannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5254619.post-10694059381073131192010-04-22T15:18:35.000+02:002010-04-22T15:18:35.000+02:00I stand for the motto : "Let Language be Free...I stand for the motto : "Let Language be Free"<br />i do not support Mr. Jabbar... neither do avro. But what Mr. Jabbar has done is completely insense.. and as a software developer i hate him personally.1st of all he is the man- creating obstacles all the time till today to estublish a unique layout for BENGALI Keyboard.. whenever this subject is projected he always rose his BIJOY .. never think about the nation. . about the future.. for a new beginner who wants to learn bengali typing has to go through his critical keyboard layout and has to memorize it.. for this reason majority of the new generation always reject his BIJOY layout and then Mr. Jabbar just pushed the opportunity of being unified away...<br /><br />It should really be ashamed of as software giant like microsoft rejected/did not take/get any keyboard layout to integrate in their products.. they took the layout of West Bengal....<br /><br />from my point of view Mr. Jabbar is solely responsible for that. it is because he was the incharge ICC of bangladesh that time (till today) and he used his power for unethical business.. he tried to push his bijoy to the world as the universal layout .. but didn't try to call the ICT Community to seat and hand over a a research basaed and quick to learn - easy to use type layout..<br />and that is why we are where fighting like cats and dogs- biting our flesh for WHO VS WHO like compitition..<br /><br />obviously avro carries a big support of young generation as they provide phonetic layout which is much more easier to learn and to use but again avro does not have any support for printing and publication media ... as Avro is also a closed source software we the developer community can not help to research and to update it for printing media so that it could be used evrywhere....<br /><br />If the Logo is "LET LANGUAGE BE FREE" then i would say YES LET LANGUAGE BE FREE... Hand over it to evryone to open it .. to develop it.. to use it... to update it...<br /><br />YOU CAN NOT SAY 'LET LANGUAGE BE FREE' with a Closed Source software... what if one day avro will charge you to use it ???? Surely it might be.. Cause it is a closed Source... and anytime there is a chance to let it be closed for free distribution....<br /><br />SO LET LANGUAGE BE FREE... FREE IT ... MEAN IT... SET IT FREE...Sakib bin Sharifnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5254619.post-4405614206668278782010-04-22T15:22:00.000+02:002010-04-22T15:22:00.000+02:00I stand for the motto : "Let Language be Free...I stand for the motto : "Let Language be Free"<br />i do not support Mr. Jabbar... neither do avro. But what Mr. Jabbar has done is completely insense.. and as a software developer i hate him personally.1st of all he is the man- creating obstacles all the time till today to estublish a unique layout for BENGALI Keyboard.. whenever this subject is projected he always rose his BIJOY .. never think about the nation. . about the future.. for a new beginner who wants to learn bengali typing has to go through his critical keyboard layout and has to memorize it.. for this reason majority of the new generation always reject his BIJOY layout and then Mr. Jabbar just pushed the opportunity of being unified away...<br /><br />It should really be ashamed of as software giant like microsoft rejected/did not take/get any keyboard layout to integrate in their products.. they took the layout of West Bengal....<br /><br />from my point of view Mr. Jabbar is solely responsible for that. it is because he was the incharge ICC of bangladesh that time (till today) and he used his power for unethical business.. he tried to push his bijoy to the world as the universal layout .. but didn't try to call the ICT Community to seat and hand over a a research basaed and quick to learn - easy to use type layout..<br />and that is why we are where fighting like cats and dogs- biting our flesh for WHO VS WHO like compitition..<br /><br />obviously avro carries a big support of young generation as they provide phonetic layout which is much more easier to learn and to use but again avro does not have any support for printing and publication media ... as Avro is also a closed source software we the developer community can not help to research and to update it for printing media so that it could be used evrywhere....<br /><br />If the Logo is "LET LANGUAGE BE FREE" then i would say YES LET LANGUAGE BE FREE... Hand over it to evryone to open it .. to develop it.. to use it... to update it...<br /><br />YOU CAN NOT SAY 'LET LANGUAGE BE FREE' with a Closed Source software... what if one day avro will charge you to use it ???? Surely it might be.. Cause it is a closed Source... and anytime there is a chance to let it be closed for free distribution....<br /><br />SO LET LANGUAGE BE FREE... FREE IT ... MEAN IT... SET IT FREE...Sakib bin Sharifnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5254619.post-23897952387979386012010-04-22T16:53:09.000+02:002010-04-22T16:53:09.000+02:00Rezwan, no argument against your points but I had ...Rezwan, no argument against your points but I had issue with some of the comments - especially "Let Language be Free" - what does it even mean?<br /><br />Any Bangla keyboard made by anyone if not following the Bijoy model is not breaking Bijoy's layout as per my understanding of copyright.Mezbanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5254619.post-84946085824153425512010-04-21T21:59:48.000+02:002010-04-21T21:59:48.000+02:00If you got the idea that people are rallying again...If you got the idea that people are rallying against software developers making a profit from their product, then either you read it wrong or you read one of those few people's comment who are on the wrong track.<br /><br />The issue here is about Mr. Jabbar trying to make a profit by placing baseless allegations against Avro solely because of his loss due to having a free software out there that can compete (but was never created to 'compete') his product. He is using his connections and his image to establish a lie for profit. This behaviour is clearly unethical both from a business and an engineering point of view. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5254619.post-21711261848354324072010-04-21T19:19:20.001+02:002010-04-21T19:19:20.001+02:00Mezba, The main issue is not about software or lit...Mezba, The main issue is not about software or literature which are intellectual properties. The debate is that Mr. Jabbar has copyrighted his Bijoy keyboard which was designed from the old Munir keyboard layout. Mr. Munir did not want any copyright for that. There are more than 20 recognised Bangla keyboard layouts out there but only one is copyrighted.<br /><br />In 2006 I bought a Bangla keyboard for Tk. 250 which was similar to Bijoy but not quite. 2009 when I wanted to buy a thin one for portable use (which I saw in a relative's house) I found that it was out of market. When I inquired about it they said now every keyboard has to have a logo of Bijoy (and pay Mr. Jabbar)- because Bangla keyboard is copyrighted. Then I bought a Big size keyboard with Bijoy logo on it with Tk. 430 (some are more costly which comes with the Bijoy cd). <br /><br />I do not use Bijoy input system but different systems - like UniBjioy, Somewherein Unijoy or sometimes phonetic. The layouts I use are all different from Bijoy. So why should I buy Bijoy keyboard and pay Mr. Jabbar? Unfortunately we have let him profit out of our ignorance. In India iNSCRIPT is the only standard for all the Indic languages. But you cannot find one single keyboard with iNSCRIPT printed on them by default and nobody claims royalty for it.<br /><br />I have nothing against Bijoy. Those who wants to use it (especially the printing industry) can of course use it. But its about freedom to choose. Why the shops in Bangladesh cannot sell Bangla keyboards which are a little different from Bijoy layout?<br /><br />Christopher Latham Sholes created Qwerty keyboard in 1840. How would you feel when one day somebody comes and patent it and all other deviations of keyborads (QWERTZ) etc are not available? Now do those comments from supporters sound the same as before?<br /><br />If you look at business context - its not about business models. Its about product life cycle. Bijoy is in a declining phase. It should now diversify or make new innovations to match growing demands - (like typing Bangla in Facebook using Linux). Instead Mr. Jabbar is trying to monopolize the market with unethical means. Logically even one key change constitutes a different keyboard layout. So you can have thousands of combinations -Mr. Jabbar only has right to his specific Bijoy layout. He has decided to intimidate the Avro team by naming them hackers (if it was US he would have been sued for baseless allegations) and terming Avro as pirated. Avro never had a business model from what I fathom. It is just another option, never was set to defeat Bijoy.rezwannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5254619.post-6690959040969534022010-04-21T19:19:20.000+02:002010-04-21T19:19:20.000+02:00Mezba, The main issue is not about software or lit...Mezba, The main issue is not about software or literature which are intellectual properties. The debate is that Mr. Jabbar has copyrighted his Bijoy keyboard which was designed from the old Munir keyboard layout. Mr. Munir did not want any copyright for that. There are more than 20 recognised Bangla keyboard layouts out there but only one is copyrighted.<br /><br />In 2006 I bought a Bangla keyboard for Tk. 250 which was similar to Bijoy but not quite. 2009 when I wanted to buy a thin one for portable use (which I saw in a relative's house) I found that it was out of market. When I inquired about it they said now every keyboard has to have a logo of Bijoy (and pay Mr. Jabbar)- because Bangla keyboard is copyrighted. Then I bought a Big size keyboard with Bijoy logo on it with Tk. 430 (some are more costly which comes with the Bijoy cd). <br /><br />I do not use Bijoy input system but different systems - like UniBjioy, Somewherein Unijoy or sometimes phonetic. The layouts I use are all different from Bijoy. So why should I buy Bijoy keyboard and pay Mr. Jabbar? Unfortunately we have let him profit out of our ignorance. In India iNSCRIPT is the only standard for all the Indic languages. But you cannot find one single keyboard with iNSCRIPT printed on them by default and nobody claims royalty for it.<br /><br />I have nothing against Bijoy. Those who wants to use it (especially the printing industry) can of course use it. But its about freedom to choose. Why the shops in Bangladesh cannot sell Bangla keyboards which are a little different from Bijoy layout?<br /><br />Christopher Latham Sholes created Qwerty keyboard in 1840. How would you feel when one day somebody comes and patent it and all other deviations of keyborads (QWERTZ) etc are not available? Now do those comments from supporters sound the same as before?<br /><br />If you look at business context - its not about business models. Its about product life cycle. Bijoy is in a declining phase. It should now diversify or make new innovations to match growing demands - (like typing Bangla in Facebook using Linux). Instead Mr. Jabbar is trying to monopolize the market with unethical means. Logically even one key change constitutes a different keyboard layout. So you can have thousands of combinations -Mr. Jabbar only has right to his specific Bijoy layout. He has decided to intimidate the Avro team by naming them hackers (if it was US he would have been sued for baseless allegations) and terming Avro as pirated. Avro never had a business model from what I fathom. It is just another option, never was set to defeat Bijoy.rezwannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5254619.post-49045588436196184672010-04-21T14:41:24.000+02:002010-04-21T14:41:24.000+02:00Without knowing much about the dispute the comment...Without knowing much about the dispute the comments by some supporters seem typical of Bangladeshis - emotion without logic. As a software developer I support the right of software writers to make money from their software. Everytime someone writes a book in Bangla they are profiting from the Bengali language.<br /><br />Yes, Avro had a better business model (perhaps - if its intent was market share) and it succeeded over Bijoy. But shame on those who are against a software developer from making a profit from his product.<br />Mezba<br />http://mezba.blogspot.comMezbanoreply@blogger.com